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From Oil and Gas to Fitness Franchising: Michael Ramsey on Building Strong Pilates

In this episode, host Steve Grace sits down with Michael Ramsey to discuss the fascinating concept of Strong Pilates.

by hao-nguyen on March 19, 2023

About the guest

Michael Ramsey

Co-Founder at Strong Pilates

Michael Ramsey is a marketer-turned-fitness entrepreneur who spent years in the oil and gas industry before discovering F45 Training and co-founding one of its globally top-ranked studios. He then identified the Rowformer machine during a trip to the US and built Strong Pilates around it, a Pilates-cardio hybrid franchise that launched in 2019 and has since grown to 23 operational studios across Australia with master territories sold in the UK, Singapore, Canada, and the US.

Episode overview

Michael Ramsey, co-founder of Strong Pilates, joins Steve Grace to trace a path from university marketing studies and a stint in oil and gas through to building one of Australia’s fastest-growing boutique fitness franchises. The episode covers how Michael found the machine that became Strong Pilates’ core product, why he chose to stay self-funded through franchising, and what it takes to build the kind of cult community that keeps members coming back.

From marketing and oil and gas to F45 and fitness

Michael studied a Bachelor of Marketing and Commerce over seven years while personal training on the side and promoting nightclubs for extra income. A nine-to-five marketing role in the oil and gas sector confirmed he was not cut out for corporate structure. His business partner at the time introduced him to F45, and the pair became studio number 10 in the world. They went on to win the global studio award three years running, scaled from one to six studios in four years, and sold all of them at a 10x return on investment.

“The more I put into it the more I got out of it. I remember there was a point when I just said screw it, I’m going to have to do the 12-hour days to get this off the ground.”

Michael Ramsey 30:00

Discovering the Rowformer and building Strong Pilates

Michael spotted the Rowformer machine on a trip to the US. He did the workout, called it the toughest he had ever done, and immediately saw the commercial problem: the American studio had only 11 beds, weak branding, and no experience amenities. He flew home and built a full franchise concept around the machine, adding 20 beds per studio, music, cold eucalyptus towels after workouts, and a structured membership model. Strong Pilates combines traditional reformer Pilates with rowing intervals to deliver a high-calorie burn at low impact.

“We sort of created this brand and this business model around this machine, put it all into a franchise concept, gave it a go in Melbourne, and it just so happened we got this crazy cult following.”

Michael Ramsey 5:00

Self-funding through franchising

Strong Pilates has remained self-funded since launch. Each territory sale at $50,000 generates capital that is reinvested into brand and marketing rather than external equity. Michael acknowledges the pressure of being accountable to franchisees who have invested $300,000 to $400,000 per studio, and describes managing that accountability as the hardest part of the transition from franchisee to franchisor.

Scaling globally and building community

By the time of recording, Strong Pilates had 23 operational studios, 130 confirmed territories, master deals in the UK, Canada, and Singapore, and was preparing to enter the US market in California, Texas, New York, and Florida. Michael credits community-building, not influencer marketing, as the number-one performance driver. He highlights local business owners, hairdressers, and baristas as the word-of-mouth engine that matters most.

“Your hairdressers, your baristas, your local business owners, they’re your heroes. It’s not the athletes and the influencers and the people with all the followers. It’s these real people in the communities.”

Michael Ramsey 31:00

Key takeaways

Find the product gap, not just the product. Michael saw a great machine in the US but recognised the surrounding business model was broken. The real opportunity was in building the brand, experience, and scalable studio format that the machine lacked.
Being a franchisee first is a genuine advantage. Having run F45 studios from the other side, Michael and his partner knew what franchisees actually needed, and built the onboarding, training, and support systems to match.
Self-funding through franchise fees is a viable strategy. Selling territories at $50,000 each provided enough capital to fund marketing and expansion without diluting equity, but it demands that the core model generates strong returns for franchisees.
Community is the most powerful marketing channel in fitness. Strong Pilates built its initial following not through paid ads but through genuine community investment: knowing members by name, running end-of-challenge parties, and reinvesting in the local experience.
Quality control at the training level protects the brand. Strong Academy puts instructors through a three-week certification course with a meaningful failure rate. Maintaining that bar across a global network is how Michael plans to protect the cult brand as it scales.
Timing a pivot matters as much as the idea itself. Launching Strong Pilates just before the pandemic locked in the concept during a period when fitness enthusiasm surged post-lockdown, even though the initial timing looked terrible.
The membership model beats the pack model. Moving from session packs to a flat weekly membership of $70 simplified the customer relationship and allowed members to attend as often as they liked, driving higher retention and community depth.

Mentioned in this episode

Frequently asked questions

What is the Strong Pilates Rowformer and how does it differ from a standard reformer?

The Rowformer is a 4.1-metre machine that combines a traditional Pilates reformer carriage with a rowing ergometer at one end. A standard reformer workout focuses on slow, time-under-tension resistance movements. Strong Pilates alternates between rowing intervals to spike heart rate and Pilates resistance blocks to build muscle, delivering a high-calorie burn within a low-impact session. The machine is fixed in the studio and cannot be moved, which influences the site selection and lease strategy.

How does the Strong Pilates franchise model work?

Franchisees purchase a territory for $50,000 and invest $300,000 to $400,000 in fitting out and opening their studio. Instructors must complete a three-week certification course through Strong Academy before they can teach. Studios operate on a weekly membership model rather than session packs, which simplifies revenue and drives higher attendance. International markets are accessed through master franchise agreements, where one operator purchases the rights to develop an entire country or region.

Why did Michael Ramsey choose to stay self-funded rather than raise venture capital?

Strong Pilates generates capital through territory sales, with each $50,000 franchise fee feeding back into marketing and brand investment. Michael saw external funding as unnecessary while the franchise model was generating its own growth capital. He acknowledges there have been moments of temptation around raising to accelerate international growth, but the self-funded discipline has kept decision-making lean and the business accountable only to franchisees rather than investors.

What made F45 Training such a strong foundation for Michael’s career?

Becoming studio number 10 in the world at a very early stage of F45’s growth gave Michael hands-on experience with every challenge a new boutique fitness concept faces: building community from scratch, refining the class format, managing instructor quality, and marketing to a local audience. Winning the global studio award three years running validated their approach, and selling six studios at a 10x return provided the capital for Strong Pilates.

What markets is Strong Pilates targeting for international expansion?

Strong Pilates had master franchise agreements in place for the UK, Singapore, and Canada at the time of recording, with 11 studios committed in Singapore alone. The US is the next major target, with a direct model in California, Texas, New York, and Florida rather than a master franchise. The Islington, London studio launched around the time of recording, and three studios were confirmed for Dublin.

Topics discussed

Boutique fitnessPilates franchisingStrong PilatesF45 TrainingFranchise modelCommunity buildingSelf-funded startupsGlobal expansionFitness entrepreneurshipBrand marketingMembership model

Full transcript

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0:00 Introduction

Welcome to Give It A Nudge. Today we have Michael from Strong Pilates. I think you’re going to love this story, quite different to a lot of the ones we’ve done. We haven’t done a fitness one for ages, so super excited about this. Michael, welcome to the show.

1:30 What is Strong Pilates

Strong Pilates is a unique Pilates concept. We franchised back in 2019, just pre-pandemic, which was fantastic timing. We’re a Pilates-rowing hybrid, or a Pilates-cardio hybrid. We use a machine called a Rowformer. The biggest criticism of Pilates is you don’t burn a lot of calories. We’ve taken the reformer concept and turned it into a high-intensity but low-impact format. Someone goes from three minutes of rowing onto the Pilates machine, heart rate elevated, resistance component, back to the rower, and you’re getting all the benefits of Pilates with a really high calorie burn.

5:00 Discovering the Rowformer and building the brand

I saw the machine in the US. I jumped on a flight because I was so intrigued by it. Toughest workout I’ve ever done. The studio over there only had 11 beds and lacked brand, music, and the one-percenters like a cold eucalyptus towel after your workout. So we created this brand and business model around the machine, put it into a franchise concept, gave it a go in Melbourne, and we got this crazy cult following. We’re now at 23 operational studios, 130 confirmed territories, launching in London this weekend, sold a master to Canada, 11 launching in Singapore.

8:00 Michael’s background and the path to entrepreneurship

I studied marketing and commerce for seven years, was always a PT, promoted nightclubs on the side. I tried working in marketing jobs and hated the nine to five. I was a marketing manager in the oil and gas industry. Then my business partner showed me F45. We were studio number 10 in the world, won the global award three years running, scaled from one to six studios over four years, and sold all of them at a 10x return. We put it all into Strong Pilates and we’re self-funded to date.

14:00 From franchisee to franchisor: the hardest part

It was really scary up until the point the studios were performing financially. We’re using our own money, but also other people are investing in our brand. They’re putting three to four hundred grand into a studio and need a return. That’s been the biggest challenge mentally. We’ve invested heavily in our HQ team so every component, performance, marketing, education, training, is looked after properly.

17:00 Strong Academy and quality control

To become a Strong Pilates trainer you need to go through Strong Academy, a three-week course. Half of the instructors fail because we’re really big on quality. They can retake it, but it’s about quality control. We’re also a clothing line, an education business, and a gym franchise. Wearing all those hats has been challenging. My business partner Mark Armstrong is an ex-detective, very operations-focused, and handles sales while I handle marketing. Chalk and cheese, which is why it’s worked.

23:00 Global expansion and the US plans

By June we’ll double our footprint. We have an ambition to hit 100 studios by end of year. London is our first international, we’ve sold a master to Canada, and Singapore is a developer agreement with 11 studios. For the US we want to be there directly, not through a master, starting in California, Texas, New York, and Florida. New York is challenging because of the machine size and rent, but we’ll work it out.

30:00 Best advice and the community factor

The more I put into it the more I got out of it. Doing the 12-hour days was a beautiful lesson. And the community piece: any location-based business needs to get into the community. Your hairdressers, your baristas, your local business owners, they’re your heroes, not the influencers. When they’re spruiking your business it’s incredible. Community is the number-one performance indicator and it’s the most intangible thing. No one knows exactly how to build it, but it matters more than anything else.

About the host

Steve Grace is the founder and CEO of The Nudge Group, a technology-focused recruitment and advisory business. He has built and scaled companies across Australia and the US, and hosts Give It A Nudge to spotlight founders and operators building something meaningful.

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